(10:25:03) ditriech: dutch and I are dorking it up over here.
(10:25:23) WhamBangThud: dork dook dook dork dork dork …
(10:25:35) ditriech: I think your dork key is stuck
(10:25:52) WhamBangThud: ‘Bout twenty years now.
(10:25:54) WhamBangThud: But go on
(10:26:02) ditriech: posting it
(10:26:08) ditriech: and that was an ex reference
(10:26:15) ditriech: god I need these alt screennames
(10:27:18) WhamBangThud: I know it was an ex reference
(10:27:22) ditriech: …
(10:27:25) ditriech: you scare me.
(10:27:28) ditriech: like a lot
(10:30:40) ditriech: but in a good way
(10:30:46) ditriech: like a zombie movie scary
(10:31:09) ditriech: HOLY FRAK I HAVE TALKED ABOUT ZOMBIES A LOT LATELY
I seriously have been talking about zombies a lot lately. But that’s not what this post is about. A while back, I got an idea to do a Fitness based RPG gamesd1. And, after the jump, you will see the true beginnings of this plan. And we’ll continue to keep you actively seized of the matter.
(08:39:06) ditriech: ok. so.
(08:39:22) ditriech: I’ve been thinking about the whole "RPG Workout" thing
(08:39:47) WoodnShoePimp: yes
(08:39:49) ditriech: And there’s really two ways to go about the food thing.
(08:40:19) ditriech: a) the easier way, just use weight watcher points or some equivalent system.
(08:40:37) WoodnShoePimp: but that’s no fun
(08:41:08) ditriech: b) make "healthy" foods a positive number and "unhealthy" foods a negative number, so the goal would be to stay at zero
(08:41:23) ditriech: w/ penalization for missing breakfast or skipping an entire day
(08:41:36) WoodnShoePimp: i think you’re looking at all of this far too simplistically
(08:41:39) WoodnShoePimp: no offense
(08:41:41) ditriech: or a calorie based number
(08:41:41) ditriech: yeah
(08:41:46) ditriech: the food is the hardest part
(08:41:58) WoodnShoePimp: well, i was thinking about setting up a database at zoho.com
(08:42:12) WoodnShoePimp: i’ve got an account there, and if i do create it, i can share it with you and whoever
(08:42:35) WoodnShoePimp: we can log everything in the site, and it even has a mobile interface so you can update it from your q
(08:42:39) WoodnShoePimp: (you love me right now, don’t you)
(08:42:43) ditriech: …yes
(08:43:15) WoodnShoePimp: my thinking was, just as we should probably take into account penalizing you for skipping meals or whole days, my weak spot isn’t that i eat unhealthy food, it’s that i eat way too much of it
(08:43:32) WoodnShoePimp: hummus is great, but when you sit down and eat a party size tub, you’ve gone too far
(08:43:46) WoodnShoePimp: so, we can enter the food that we eat into the table
(08:44:31) WoodnShoePimp: and the points we get are related to how close we get to our goals
(08:44:48) WoodnShoePimp: so if our zone for calories is between 2000 and 2400 a day,
(08:44:55) WoodnShoePimp: or maybe 1900 and 2300, something like that
(08:45:25) WoodnShoePimp: we get points when we hit that margin, but the farther out we get, the fewer points, until if we go under 1400 or over 2800, we start going negative
(08:46:00) WoodnShoePimp: and some foods, of course, like candy, cake, any alcohol, will inherently have a negative point value, as well as the nutritional content counting towards our daily goal
(08:46:11) ditriech: oh man that’s amazing
(08:46:15) WoodnShoePimp: so if we each sit down and drink a case of beer, we’re completely fucked
(08:46:42) WoodnShoePimp: because each beer will have a negative amount associated with it, and by the end we’ll be over our caloric and carb goals, and so each beer past like 18 will count against us twice
(08:47:40) WoodnShoePimp: so, anyway, that’s my thought
(08:47:55) ditriech: that’s better than anything I would have come up with for food.
(08:47:57) ditriech: seriously.
(08:48:32) WoodnShoePimp: well, i do have some experience with nutrition
(08:48:45) WoodnShoePimp: i think we could base our caloric intake, for example, on the rule of ten
(08:48:46) WoodnShoePimp: http://everything2.com/e2node/The%2520Rule%2520of%252010
(08:50:04) WoodnShoePimp: so for each "user" of the database, we can put in the current weight, and use that to figure out nutritional goals
(08:50:42) WoodnShoePimp: we could probably tweak it for somebody who wanted to do low-fat, or low-carb, but both of those are kinda hard to maintain, so i think we should probably just stick with moderation
(08:51:19) WoodnShoePimp: the best part about a website like zoho, is that I can create this database, and you and biz and whoever else can access it, and then we can put together a webpage that pulls data out of the database and displays it however we want
(08:51:26) WoodnShoePimp: so we can have psiuppernorton.com/leaderboard.html
(08:51:58) ditriech: I was thinking about using tests like these to set STR CON and FLX http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/guideposts/fitness/post/testyourfitness.htm
(0852:36) ditriech: but the way I see it STR would be made up of three categories: upper body, core and lower body
(08:53:15) ditriech: and CON would have to be tested through running, cycling or swimming
(08:54:08) WoodnShoePimp: the hard part is making this balanced, so that you can level up by running, and i can level up by lifting weights, because i can’t run, and your running should count for more than my biking
(08:54:19) ditriech: right.
(08:54:28) WoodnShoePimp: now, the simple way to do CON w/r/t points would be how many calories you burn
(08:55:25) WoodnShoePimp: but should we create a multiplier for improvement in speed? or will the fact that you can burn 900 calories in a run instead of 300 because you can run twice as far at a much faster rate be enough?
(08:55:40) ditriech: I think that would be enough
(08:56:13) ditriech: I mean, if I could figure out the difference, there could be a stamina or endurance category added
(08:56:28) ditriech: but in general, CON should be fine
(08:56:57) ditriech: another thing I would want to work out would be water intake
(08:57:17) ditriech: because I drink about 4 gallons a day, normally. like just sitting around doing nothing else w/o running
(08:58:09) WoodnShoePimp: i think we should award points up to a certain point, but after that, you’re already fully hydrated, and having an extra 4 gallons after your first two won’t do anything
(08:58:17) ditriech: right.
(08:58:31) ditriech: I was just thinking the same thing, but then my mind wandered back to the food
(08:59:09) WoodnShoePimp: haha
(08:59:10) WoodnShoePimp: brb
(08:59:25) ditriech: like bonus points for hitting your daily recommended value and staying under the caloric goal.
(09:06:40) WoodnShoePimp: yeah, i think the food thing is pretty cut and dry
(09:06:45) WoodnShoePimp: because we’re all eating food
(09:06:49) ditriech: mostly.
(09:06:53) WoodnShoePimp: well, yes
(09:07:09) WoodnShoePimp: the thing that worries me is striking a balance between points awarded for cardio vs. weight training
(09:07:19) ditriech: but our workouts are vastly different. like I haven’t been in a weightroom in years now
(09:07:20) ditriech: yeah
(09:08:20) ditriech: I mean, if we give equal weight to cardio and strength training or even 1.5:1 with the 1.5 being in what the person is weaker at, it should all workout
(09:09:23) WoodnShoePimp: hrm
(09:09:37) WoodnShoePimp: but i mean, how do we determine the points for weight training?
(09:10:19) WoodnShoePimp: cause my 3x20x100lb bench press with free weights will be fewer reps than your 100 pushups, but i’ll probably put on more muscle
(09:10:38) WoodnShoePimp: and 3x20x100lb bench press with free weights will be a lot easier than 3x20x100lb bench press with the bar
(09:11:54) WoodnShoePimp: and how many more points will i get if i’m able to bump it up to 3x20x120lb?
(09:12:11) ditriech: hold on.
(09:12:15) WoodnShoePimp: and what will be the point differential between 3x20x100 vs. 3x6x160?
(09:12:21) WoodnShoePimp: cause they’re both really hard, in different ways
(09:12:29) WoodnShoePimp: i feel like we need to find some hard math on this sort of stuff
(09:13:30) ditriech: fuck. now I want to do chef geoffs to talk about this stuff
(09:13:35) ditriech: GOD I’M A DORK
(09:15:27) WoodnShoePimp: haha, yes, but… think how awful those points would be
(09:15:33) ditriech: …yeah
(09:15:45) ditriech: god. you know, normal people don’t have these conversations right?
(09:15:50) ditriech: I mean, this is just us.
(09:16:08) WoodnShoePimp: yeah, more or less
(09:16:10) WoodnShoePimp: it is kinda scary
(09:17:31) ditriech: we should also make cards
(09:17:37) ditriech: and use these: http://www.faceyourmanga.com/homepage.php?lang=eng
(09:18:09) WoodnShoePimp: ….
(09:18:20) ditriech: …
(09:18:21) ditriech: sorry
(09:18:25) ditriech: had to break up the convo
(09:18:27) ditriech: anyhoo
(09:18:29) WoodnShoePimp: haha
(09:18:30) WoodnShoePimp: no worries
(09:19:12) ditriech: we could also add an XTR category. Like if you started running, or if I started swimming.
(09:19:34) WoodnShoePimp: so, i’d get more points for doing the same thing while running, or you for swimming
(09:19:40) ditriech: yeah
(09:19:59) WoodnShoePimp: i can see that
(09:20:05) WoodnShoePimp: i dunno
(09:20:20) WoodnShoePimp: i mean, you can do more pushups than i can, but i can bench more than you can. so what’s more important when it comes to STR?
(09:21:16) ditriech: see, I think the XTR works for CON, but not so much for STR. Because body weight exercises are going for a different type of muscle mass.
(09:21:25) WoodnShoePimp: well, here’s what i’m thinking
(09:21:44) WoodnShoePimp: i think that we should award points for different exercises within a category
(09:22:04) WoodnShoePimp: so, i get points for each of my lifts, but obviously they don’t stack completely
(09:22:42) WoodnShoePimp: but if i go to the gym and do six or eight different lifts, i should get credit for each of them, we just have to work out the math on how to add them up
(09:22:51) WoodnShoePimp: but we should get more credit for doing different kinds of things
(09:23:16) WoodnShoePimp: but for CON, i think it should be different, for each additional cardio exercise we do we should get an increased amount of points
(09:23:19) WoodnShoePimp: so you run, and i bike
(09:23:57) WoodnShoePimp: but if you go to the pool, or if i start to run and i have a different type of cardio within, say, three or five days, then you get a multiplier – the secondary cardio gets its points *1.25 or something
(09:24:52) WoodnShoePimp: so it rewards crosstraining, but we dont’ have to hardcode a "weak" cardio exercise. and if one of us bikes, runs, and swims all within one week, the one you have the most points of would be *1, the second most *1.25, and the third *1.5
(09:25:05) WoodnShoePimp: i just need to figure out how to do the math for weight training
(09:25:55) ditriech: wait. I need to find my other notebook. this one has my playbook
(09:26:09) WoodnShoePimp: haha, taking notes?
(09:26:39) ditriech: yes
(09:26:44) WoodnShoePimp: for STR, i think we need to find some constants
(09:27:00) ditriech: well, I’ve been compiling notes since I thought about it.
(09:27:03) WoodnShoePimp: because obviously it’s easier to bench 100lbs than it is to do 50 lb bicep curls
(09:27:18) ditriech: and I thought it was in this notebook.
(09:29:40) ditriech: ok, ill just use this one and transfer later
(09:31:35) ditriech: well, that’s because your triceps are stronger than your biceps by nature too though.
(09:33:53) WoodnShoePimp: right
(09:34:37) WoodnShoePimp: so i’m saying, we need to figure out some way that doing 25lb curls counts the same as doing 110 lb bench press
(09:35:24) WoodnShoePimp: but i’m not the best person to base it on, because as a swimmer my tri’s and lats are unnaturally strong and my bench and biceps are unnaturally weak, relatively
(09:35:30) WoodnShoePimp: which is why i want to find some sort of study on this
(09:35:49) WoodnShoePimp: i also am not wild about the idea of using some sort of "starting fitness level" to base our increases on
(09:36:11) WoodnShoePimp: because otherwise it’d be really easy for me to start doing lifts i’ve never done before and double my strength in them within a month
(09:36:14) WoodnShoePimp: it’d just fuck with the numbers
(09:36:16) ditriech: haha
(09:36:21) ditriech: makes sense
(09:38:28) WoodnShoePimp: cause i guarantee right now, my squat sucks
(09:38:34) WoodnShoePimp: but i can make some pretty drastic increases
(09:39:11) ditriech: and I know that, even not being in the weight room, my squats/deadlift/legpress are probably fairly decent
(09:44:00) WoodnShoePimp: right
(09:44:17) WoodnShoePimp: but if you started doing any serious upper body lifting, you’d make some rapid gains
(09:44:24) ditriech: yeah.
(09:45:22) WoodnShoePimp: so i want to figure out a way to reward doing more than one exercise, but at the same time not have my ability to do 8 exercises in the gym to completely overshadow the one or two cardio exercises you can do
(09:46:20) WoodnShoePimp: also, i think we should have a category for stuff that’s good for you, but shouldn’t count directly in either category. for example, a 30 minute walk will burn quite a few calories, but it doesn’t need to count as a multiplier for CON
(09:46:37) WoodnShoePimp: and same thing with abs. it’s good to do, but it’s not so much a strength thing
(09:46:45) ditriech: true
(09:47:13) WoodnShoePimp: i’ll ask joey when he gets online, because he’s really good with this sort of stuff
(09:50:22) WoodnShoePimp: i’m really excited about this
(09:50:29) WoodnShoePimp: although creating it is the fun part, to be honest
(09:50:33) ditriech: yeah
(09:50:39) WoodnShoePimp: actually keeping track of everything you do is tedious
(09:51:09) WoodnShoePimp: and trying to figure out the nutrition content of, say, a burger at chef geoffs, is just a pain
(09:51:23) WoodnShoePimp: how do you think we should balance food v. workout?
(09:51:26) ditriech: well, yeah. its going to make eating out suck
(09:52:37) WoodnShoePimp: i mean, the best you can do is just guess
(09:53:04) WoodnShoePimp: and obviously, we’ll have a completely different set of point categories for nutrition as opposed to fitness
(09:53:22) WoodnShoePimp: but if we’re going to add them up for a "total points" sorta thing, we’ll need to get that balance right as well
(09:53:38) ditriech: yeah
(09:54:13) ditriech: we’d have to be able to figure out exactly how many calories are burned to get it perfect
(09:54:39) WoodnShoePimp: well, that’s not unreasonable
(09:54:51) ditriech: not at all, actually
(10:00:32) ditriech: (going back a bit) there are two ways to make the CON categories (well, major categories) equal
(10:00:47) ditriech: olympic
(10:00:50) ditriech: sorry
(10:01:19) ditriech: olympic triathlon ratios or ironman triathlon ratios
(10:02:39) ditriech: olympic ratio is 1/26.67/6.67; ironman is 1/42.36/11.1
(10:02:47) ditriech: SBR
(10:04:24) ditriech: and I’m pretty sure that’s based on meters. I’d have to double check my math
(10:08:33) WoodnShoePimp: i was thinking going with something like this: http://primusweb.com/fitnesspartner/jumpsite/calculat.htm
(10:08:48) WoodnShoePimp: based on your weight and the duration of workout, it tells you how much you burn
(10:09:03) WoodnShoePimp: for seven different speeds of running
(10:09:14) WoodnShoePimp: and several different speeds for a lot of other cardio activities
(10:09:29) ditriech: …holy crap.
(10:09:49) ditriech: eh. I like my way better though. more people yelling at things
(10:09:54) ditriech: ok. not really.
(10:10:28) ditriech: …man, I wonder how many calories you burn playing Delt Pong
(10:12:57) WoodnShoePimp: Standing in line 65.4
(10:13:00) WoodnShoePimp: that’s my guess
(10:13:07) WoodnShoePimp: maybe a bit more
(10:13:30) WoodnShoePimp: maybe Bartending/Server 109
(10:13:35) ditriech: yeah
(10:13:38) ditriech: that one makes more sense
(10:16:29) ditriech: crap. so I need to find a scale
(10:29:29) WoodnShoePimp: yes
(10:29:30) WoodnShoePimp: you do
(10:32:08) WoodnShoePimp: because i think there should be points gained for losing weight, too
(10:32:40) ditriech: well, here’s where it gets sticky.
(10:32:52) ditriech: what if you start gaining muscle mass?
(10:33:00) WoodnShoePimp: well, right. you’ll gain weight
(10:33:23) WoodnShoePimp: which is why i think that fitness and nutrition points would definitely outweigh (haha) the weight loss points
(10:33:45) ditriech: haha
(10:33:54) WoodnShoePimp: but eventually, you’ll start losing weight, cause unless you start putting in really long hours at the gym, the gain in muscle mass will be less than the loss in fat
(10:33:59) ditriech: Psi Upper Norton: We’re good at puns
(10:34:04) WoodnShoePimp: but we can create it so that it doesn’t encourage bad weight loss
(10:34:07) WoodnShoePimp: …
(10:34:09) WoodnShoePimp: a metapun?
(10:34:15) ditriech: see what I did there?
(10:34:19) WoodnShoePimp: i see what you did there
(10:40:19) ditriech: …man, this is going to be better than playing D&D
(10:40:27) WoodnShoePimp: have you ever played d&d?
(10:40:31) ditriech: well no
(10:40:44) ditriech: but it’s the whole "we came up with it" factor that wins it for me
(10:41:05) WoodnShoePimp: yes
(10:41:13) WoodnShoePimp: and "fitness rpg" google search turns up nil
(10:41:27) ditriech: coming up with the whole idea behind it is already more fun than my favorite part of NCAA, and I doubt anything will ever top NCAA
(10:41:59) WoodnShoePimp: haha
(10:42:11) WoodnShoePimp: the stuff we can do will be amazing
(10:42:25) WoodnShoePimp: erosion of points if you stop working out, for example
(10:42:29) ditriech: yeah
(10:42:50) ditriech: …dude. This can be the first MNRPG
(10:43:28) WoodnShoePimp: mnrpg?
(10:43:43) ditriech: multi-nortonian role playing game
(10:44:32) WoodnShoePimp: i was thinking MMNIRLRPG
(10:44:45) ditriech: ?
(10:44:58) WoodnShoePimp: massively multi-nortonian in real life role playing game
(10:45:13) WoodnShoePimp: instead of massively multiplayer online role playing game, or MMORPG
(10:47:45) ditriech: …
(10:47:46) ditriech: yes.